Comments on: Zend Framework’s Official PEAR Channel? http://www.tonybibbs.com/2008/02/ZFViaPEAR/ Family, Outdoors and Technology Thu, 25 Aug 2011 08:21:33 +0000 hourly 1 http://wordpress.org/?v=3.0 By: Tony http://www.tonybibbs.com/2008/02/ZFViaPEAR/comment-page-1/#comment-52 Tony Tue, 19 Feb 2008 18:31:56 +0000 http://www.tonybibbs.com/2008/02/ZFViaPEAR/#comment-52 I officially got an unofficial answer regarding this. In short, don't hold your breath. For better or worse...(worse) --Tony I officially got an unofficial answer regarding this.

In short, don’t hold your breath. For better or worse…(worse)

–Tony

]]> By: demianturner http://www.tonybibbs.com/2008/02/ZFViaPEAR/comment-page-1/#comment-51 demianturner Sun, 17 Feb 2008 08:51:25 +0000 http://www.tonybibbs.com/2008/02/ZFViaPEAR/#comment-51 I couldn't agree more, I think it's a massive oversight that individual Zend libs are not available via the PEAR installer. I suppose if someone dedicated the time to packaging it all, the ensuing popularity of the format might change some minds. Personally I mix and match, choosing whichever is the best component for the job, and use Zend_Cache but am forced to install the whole Zend_* monster via PEAR to access it .. bit primitive. I couldn’t agree more, I think it’s a massive oversight that individual Zend libs are not available via the PEAR installer. I suppose if someone dedicated the time to packaging it all, the ensuing popularity of the format might change some minds.

Personally I mix and match, choosing whichever is the best component for the job, and use Zend_Cache but am forced to install the whole Zend_* monster via PEAR to access it .. bit primitive.

]]> By: tswicegood http://www.tonybibbs.com/2008/02/ZFViaPEAR/comment-page-1/#comment-50 tswicegood Fri, 15 Feb 2008 09:33:13 +0000 http://www.tonybibbs.com/2008/02/ZFViaPEAR/#comment-50 re: NIH in the Zend Framework: one need only look at how much they've re-invented... re: NIH in the Zend Framework: one need only look at how much they’ve re-invented…

]]> By: mike http://www.tonybibbs.com/2008/02/ZFViaPEAR/comment-page-1/#comment-49 mike Fri, 15 Feb 2008 08:39:07 +0000 http://www.tonybibbs.com/2008/02/ZFViaPEAR/#comment-49 I haven't been following closely the ebbs and flows of this debate in ZF circles. But what I have gleaned is that there is a general rejection of componentizing ZF. The (failed) community driven project to package up ZF into one monolith package provided no value. Why would i use that over the many other ways I can access the complete framework? Using SVN externals is more convenient if I am committed to the entire framework. But, I don't want the entire framework, especially as it grows in size and become another PEAR like clearing house that includes everything under the sun, including the kitchen sink (albeit in a much more coherent fashion). To leverage the true power of PEAR packaging would require the breaking down of ZF into components. The position of the ZF team that I understand is one of "all or nothing." I frankly don't get this. I just don't see how componentizing ZF is impossible or gravely limited because of technical barriers, or sound social reasons. Arguably, the value of ZF would be much greater if I could easily choose what libraries I needed, and let some sort of great packaging and distribution system handle dependencies, installation and updates. I am using ZF in several projects and couldn't imaging workign without it. But not supporting PEAR packaging and channels just makes using it not as convenient. I haven’t been following closely the ebbs and flows of this debate in ZF circles. But what I have gleaned is that there is a general rejection of componentizing ZF.

The (failed) community driven project to package up ZF into one monolith package provided no value. Why would i use that over the many other ways I can access the complete framework? Using SVN externals is more convenient if I am committed to the entire framework.

But, I don’t want the entire framework, especially as it grows in size and become another PEAR like clearing house that includes everything under the sun, including the kitchen sink (albeit in a much more coherent fashion).

To leverage the true power of PEAR packaging would require the breaking down of ZF into components. The position of the ZF team that I understand is one of “all or nothing.” I frankly don’t get this. I just don’t see how componentizing ZF is impossible or gravely limited because of technical barriers, or sound social reasons.

Arguably, the value of ZF would be much greater if I could easily choose what libraries I needed, and let some sort of great packaging and distribution system handle dependencies, installation and updates.

I am using ZF in several projects and couldn’t imaging workign without it. But not supporting PEAR packaging and channels just makes using it not as convenient.

]]> By: Tony http://www.tonybibbs.com/2008/02/ZFViaPEAR/comment-page-1/#comment-53 Tony Fri, 15 Feb 2008 08:15:57 +0000 http://www.tonybibbs.com/2008/02/ZFViaPEAR/#comment-53 You can always do a manual install. Remember PEAR packages are nothing more than tarballs. If that is the biggest argument, I'd say the Zend folks could very easily provide two forms of packaging. --Tony You can always do a manual install. Remember PEAR packages are nothing more than tarballs. If that is the biggest argument, I’d say the Zend folks could very easily provide two forms of packaging.

–Tony

]]> By: Tree http://www.tonybibbs.com/2008/02/ZFViaPEAR/comment-page-1/#comment-48 Tree Thu, 14 Feb 2008 21:54:09 +0000 http://www.tonybibbs.com/2008/02/ZFViaPEAR/#comment-48 I followed the mailing list for a while and I believe the issue is that PEAR isn't very 'shared hosting friendly' and ZF is aiming to be an easy install for anyone regardless of environment. When was the last time you tried to get your shared host to install (or update) a pear package for you? =( I followed the mailing list for a while and I believe the issue is that PEAR isn’t very ‘shared hosting friendly’ and ZF is aiming to be an easy install for anyone regardless of environment.

When was the last time you tried to get your shared host to install (or update) a pear package for you? =(

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